[DECK] AAA TGB for upcoming tournament

Inscrit le: 27 Juin 2010 Messages: 15

Hi!
We have a relatively big tournament here next week (and we didn't have one for almost a year), and i am struggling which deck to take. Currently, i am leaning towards AAA tgb deck, which I've been playing for a relatively long time with some success. I wold need your french masterminds to help me out to perfect it, hone it, and polish it, so that i can take the glory on next sunday, while watching WC finals!
Here is the deck, as it stands :
Crypt:

Anneke x3
Alexandra x3
Anson x3
Delilah Easton x1
Isabel de leon x1
Dorian Strack x1

Library (90 cards)

Master: (18) (8 trifle)

TGB x5
Villein x6
vessel x2
giants blood
monastery of shadows
Art museum
dreams of the sphynx x2

Action : (2)
Entrancement x2

Equipment : (4)
Helicopter x2
Assault rifle
Flamethrower

combat : (9)
Majesty x9

event: (1)
Antelies,, red star x1

Action modifier: (11)
Aire of elation x3
Voter captivation x5
Perfect paragon 3
Scalpel tongue x2

Political action : (17)
KRC x6
Parity shit x4
Banishment x2
Alastor x3
Ancient influence x1
Reins of power x1

Reactions : (19)
Telepathic misdirection x7
Eyes of argus x2
On the qui vive x3
Second tradition x7

Combo : (7)
Resist Earth's grasp : 7

There.
Not certain about vessels. Maybe I should add Elysium, pallace of versailles, and/or pentex and/or temptation of greater power. Or parthenon...?
I expect around 20+ participants out of which :
At least one malk/!malk s&b
One !ventrue grinder
One Gehenna heavy imbued with flash grenades
One Una eats the world
One Lasombra/kyasid s/b with nocturns
One tremere toolbox wall
One lutz/inner circle politics
One new brujah dmitra politics
One !Brujah rush with Hektor
one Tzimitze/rotschreck wall
One Mata hari war ghoul deck

and god knows what else! Very Happy

Please, help me perfect this deck!
Merci!

Inscrit le: 04 Avr 2008 Messages: 632

you can swap vessel x2 for ToGP and Pentex, yes.
-3 Kine, +2 Parity, +1 Neonate Breach.
I don't know if Anthelios is worth it, considering the very low number of Masters in your deck. Either swap it with Uncoiling/Scourge of Enochians/Fourth Cycle, or put less tel misdi and the like (reactions) for more masters. Finally, find room for at least one Aire of Elation, everyone will expect you to have one in hand anyway.

Inscrit le: 27 Juin 2010 Messages: 15

I expect very little/none weenie decks on the tournament (mainly because of the low number of embraces here), so therefore none of the scourge of enochians/neonate breach
6 parity shifts can be too much, especially since i can villein/voter cap, but maybe 5/5 ratio of krc/parity would be better.
Anthelies is one card, and is useful for recycling villeins into tgb late game.
Finally , i too feel that my wake/tm count is perhaps too high, and could possibly be reduced to more aire/something...
I have 3 Aires!
Also, a relatively low master count comes from the fact that i generally try to influence Anneke first and make an alastor. Once you have the big rifle, (or helicopter) things are generally easier for you...
But very constructive advice, thnx!
Keep 'em coming... Very Happy

Posté le: Mer Juil 07, 2010 7:41 am

if you don't expect weenies, you might consider Judgment: Camarilla Segregation and Antediluvian Awakening.

Inscrit le: 14 Juil 2008 Messages: 852

pendargon a écrit:

Anthelies is one card, and is useful for recycling villeins into tgb late game.

Don't you think that Anthelios will be more efficient for your opponents who will gladly recycle their own dead cards for Wash, sudden, direct or Pentex ? this is a dead-end alley for you. If you don't have a use for Anthelios anywhen in the game, ditch it.

Inscrit le: 27 Juin 2010 Messages: 15

@Floppyzedolphin : Sadly, i do not own any Judgment: camarilla segregation Sad

But antediluvian could be nice add... wonder what to take out for it?
@Naga : Possibly true. I definitely need to put my own pentex in, for a vessel, and another vessel needs to go for either Temptation of greater power, or elysium: palace of versailles ( i have trouble guessing the need for vote push)... What do you propose to put in insted of anthelios?

Inscrit le: 14 Juil 2008 Messages: 852

TOGP. /thread

Inscrit le: 20 Mar 2008 Messages: 501

If you keep anthelios, what is the interest of villein (especially if you play anson with only 18/90 masters)? MT is far more better. plus, 6/90 MT when you play a so old crypt is maybe a little bit not enough (I think you should find place for 2 MTs).

Posté le: Mer Juil 07, 2010 12:15 pm

On turn 5, minion tap has a cost of 3 in average, now, so no more MT. Wink

Inscrit le: 27 Juin 2010 Messages: 15

Exactly.
Villein is the new hots, while minion tap is wallpaper.
I tried, but my first minion tap usually costs me around 2 pool, and second i never get to play (4-5+ pool cost from other people's villein).
Shitty, but true...
Anson is there because he is a prince with all the right disciplines. His text is just gravy (albeit a nice, nice one!). Like i said, I try to influence Anneke first, for alastors and table control. I fear that i might jam on masters if i go above 20.
That's why i am here for advice Smile

Inscrit le: 27 Juin 2010 Messages: 15

More or less final look of the deck :

Anneke x3
Alexandra x3
Anson x3
Delilah Easton x1
Isabel de leon x1
Dorian Strack x1

Library (90 cards)

Master: (20) (8 trifle)

TGB x5
Villein x6
vessel x2
giants blood
monastery of shadows
Art museum
dreams of the sphynx x2
Pentex subversion
Temptation of greater power

Action : (2)
Entrancement x2

Equipment : (4)
Helicopter x2
Assault rifle
Flamethrower

combat : (9)
Majesty x9

event: (1)
Antelies,, red star x1

Action modifier: (11)
Aire of elation x3
Voter captivation x5
Perfect paragon 3
Scalpel tongue x2

Political action : (17)
KRC x5
Parity shit x5
Banishment x2
Alastor x3
Ancient influence x1
Reins of power x1

Reactions : (18)
Telepathic misdirection x7
Eyes of argus x2
On the qui vive x2
Second tradition x7

Combo : (6)
Resist Earth's grasp : 6

Vessels stay, as they have proven valuable to set-up parity shift, and keep my vampires going after being depleted from potence combat.
5/5 ratio of krc/parity is proven for now to be more effective, especially now with temptation and pentex.
I still have doubts with antelies, it varies from being a lifesaver (cycling villein for tgb and pentex late game), and being a bust (cycling pentex on me...). It stays for now. If only I could squeeze in another TGB or wash...

Posté le: Sam Juil 10, 2010 11:17 am

ditch Anthelios and one telepathic misdirection and add 2 reinforcement to put the right cards back in your deck. Alternatively, you can play 1 reinforcement and 1 sargon fragment, which can put the right cards directly in your hand (and it's unblockable under TGB).

Inscrit le: 27 Juin 2010 Messages: 15

I'm do not like reinforcements, but sargon fragment IS an excellent idea... Sold!

Inscrit le: 27 Juin 2010 Messages: 15

Thanx for the great advice, Friends!
Managed to lose the finals on the strenght of schedule, both me and a Carna wall player having 1.5 points when the final timed out, him winning the final due to better seeding. If the game lasted only 1 minute more, I would have taken it all, for my next prey was left with one pool... ah, agony...
For all those interested, minutes before tournament i ended up swapping Antelios for another TGB. A decision which saved my life, as in the finals i spent most of the time squeezed between two tremere walls.
So: Merci beaucoup!

Posté le: Lun Juil 12, 2010 4:15 pm

we're glad you made it so far. Better luck next time ! Wink

was the sargon fragment useful ? Idea

Inscrit le: 27 Juin 2010 Messages: 15

Never made it into play... i always alastored for either a helicopter, and in the finals for the flamethrower. And somehow, TGB always got used for either a politic, or stealing racks/ entrancements on carlton...
Also, in the light of the tournament, i would ditch the Monastery, as it seems that when somebody really wants to block me, then it is useless, and if they cannot, then it is useless again. So, I basically ended up paying 3 pool for an elder-library like effect most of the time. It should be second pentex or another tgb. Also, i would take out ancient influence (I feel that i have more than enough pool gain from parities/villein/votercap) for another KRC (oust power late-game).
Other than that ToGP is still iffy... it potentially was able to win me a table on round 2, but i decided to play it safe, and ended up dead... more testing is needed.
Great showing all-around, and almost a win... Very Happy

It will be better next time Very Happy